1 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:24,290 thank you all thank you Chantal thank 3 00:00:27,190 --> 00:00:25,730 you for the opportunity and certainly I 4 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:27,200 have to think that the last two speakers 5 00:00:32,229 --> 00:00:29,930 for for their presentations really it 6 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:32,239 fits quite well and now I see why they 7 00:00:38,170 --> 00:00:34,850 put me in this block you know to present 8 00:00:39,460 --> 00:00:38,180 here so yes my name is Luis Monero where 9 00:00:41,650 --> 00:00:39,470 I want more than anything in this 10 00:00:43,540 --> 00:00:41,660 presentation in these 20 minutes is to 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:43,550 try to give you an idea of the approach 12 00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:45,410 that we use at the international academy 13 00:00:49,390 --> 00:00:47,470 of consciousness in trying to research 14 00:00:51,910 --> 00:00:49,400 consciousness which probably we have a 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:51,920 slightly different definition than most 16 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:54,890 people but doing this research you know 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:56,390 from the first second and third 18 00:01:01,510 --> 00:00:59,050 perspective meaning from I am a 19 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:01,520 subjective participant participative 20 00:01:05,229 --> 00:01:03,380 research so I am a researcher but also I 21 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:05,239 can teach somebody else to do it and at 22 00:01:09,010 --> 00:01:07,340 the same time we do that research you 23 00:01:11,379 --> 00:01:09,020 know a little bit more at a distance of 24 00:01:13,359 --> 00:01:11,389 we are investigating something that is 25 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:13,369 separate from us yeah so I want to try 26 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:15,710 to give you this this moral here and I'm 27 00:01:20,260 --> 00:01:17,990 going to go through several research 28 00:01:22,270 --> 00:01:20,270 initiatives that we have I might not go 29 00:01:24,190 --> 00:01:22,280 so much into detail into each one of 30 00:01:25,809 --> 00:01:24,200 them but if you want more information or 31 00:01:27,669 --> 00:01:25,819 more data about each one of these 32 00:01:29,730 --> 00:01:27,679 initiatives feel free to ask me 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:29,740 afterwards you know about them ok so 34 00:01:34,029 --> 00:01:32,450 first of all just very briefly very 35 00:01:36,580 --> 00:01:34,039 quickly because this is going to tie in 36 00:01:38,139 --> 00:01:36,590 to something afterwards as Chantal was 37 00:01:41,379 --> 00:01:38,149 saying we are a nonprofit organization 38 00:01:43,209 --> 00:01:41,389 dedicated to to research and education 39 00:01:45,849 --> 00:01:43,219 this is our main objective and we give 40 00:01:48,069 --> 00:01:45,859 classes basically all over the world as 41 00:01:51,419 --> 00:01:48,079 you can see here we have already been 42 00:01:54,249 --> 00:01:51,429 doing this for over 20 years now 43 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:54,259 something you know that we do is more 44 00:01:58,269 --> 00:01:55,729 than anything the research on paranormal 45 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:58,279 phenomena and our parry experiences and 46 00:02:03,129 --> 00:02:00,560 one of our main objectives is to try to 47 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:03,139 help people to develop their own skills 48 00:02:08,169 --> 00:02:04,490 and to how there are not pally 49 00:02:10,270 --> 00:02:08,179 experiences I myself have about 30 years 50 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:10,280 of out-of-body experiences I actually 51 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:12,230 wrote a book you know about a couple of 52 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:14,810 years ago trying to summarize all the 53 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:16,970 understanding of out-of-body experiences 54 00:02:19,930 --> 00:02:19,010 as much as I could you know obviously 55 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:19,940 time and 56 00:02:25,450 --> 00:02:22,910 space constrict you and limits you but 57 00:02:27,010 --> 00:02:25,460 as much as I could so and I forgot to 58 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:27,020 put a slide of the book so this is why I 59 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:29,780 brought it here to show it but what we 60 00:02:36,940 --> 00:02:33,280 try to do in this I guess model this 61 00:02:39,390 --> 00:02:36,950 obviously and we have this I guess sign 62 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:39,400 everywhere in all of our you know 63 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:42,680 institutions and buildings and I'll show 64 00:02:46,090 --> 00:02:44,390 you the research campus in a second 65 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:46,100 which basically says don't believe in 66 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:48,410 anything not even in what we are saying 67 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:50,450 here more experiment have your own 68 00:02:55,540 --> 00:02:52,730 experiences in from this you can already 69 00:02:57,970 --> 00:02:55,550 infer several things first of all that 70 00:03:01,030 --> 00:02:57,980 we are not can I say we are not afraid 71 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:01,040 of participative research we have many 72 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:03,110 times in the other party experience in 73 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:04,490 their party experiences to be the 74 00:03:08,290 --> 00:03:06,110 researcher to be the guinea pig so to 75 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:08,300 speak but at the same time we don't want 76 00:03:14,290 --> 00:03:11,390 to lose our discernment our logic our 77 00:03:15,940 --> 00:03:14,300 standards our criteria so we need of 78 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:15,950 course we understand that we need to 79 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:18,500 have you know a big pool of experience 80 00:03:23,710 --> 00:03:20,930 opposed to try to arrive at consensus 81 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:23,720 and refutation and logic but not trying 82 00:03:28,030 --> 00:03:25,280 to deny because of that our own 83 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:28,040 experiences so we always keep this you 84 00:03:31,510 --> 00:03:30,110 know in the world wherever we wherever 85 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:31,520 we go wherever we are 86 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:33,950 yeah so that's why we call it you know 87 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:35,600 we'd certainly don't wanna believe we 88 00:03:39,070 --> 00:03:37,250 are certainly not an institution that is 89 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:39,080 based on belief if you understand what I 90 00:03:45,699 --> 00:03:43,670 mean by this now just very quickly we 91 00:03:47,470 --> 00:03:45,709 have sort of like a research campus in 92 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:47,480 Portal with many administrative 93 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:49,640 buildings and many different types of 94 00:03:54,790 --> 00:03:51,440 laboratories for inducing different 95 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:54,800 paranormal phenomena peace you know you 96 00:03:59,009 --> 00:03:56,810 can actually see there on our website 97 00:04:01,420 --> 00:03:59,019 but we have you know several different 98 00:04:03,130 --> 00:04:01,430 laboratories that we call consensual 99 00:04:06,130 --> 00:04:03,140 laboratories or laboratories to study 100 00:04:08,050 --> 00:04:06,140 the consciousness but I'll get in in a 101 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:08,060 little bit where I mean what do we mean 102 00:04:13,870 --> 00:04:12,110 by consciousness now one of the labs 103 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:13,880 that we have there is this that we call 104 00:04:18,130 --> 00:04:16,010 the project areum or the specialized 105 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:18,140 loud for producing projections outside 106 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:20,330 the body out-of-body experiences on 107 00:04:28,029 --> 00:04:25,700 folding mystic voyage etc now for those 108 00:04:29,590 --> 00:04:28,039 of you maybe that like science fiction 109 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:29,600 movies if you have seen this movies 110 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:30,680 x-men 111 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:32,750 you know this structure that the 112 00:04:37,029 --> 00:04:34,610 Professor Xavier goes in that is called 113 00:04:38,590 --> 00:04:37,039 cerebral this will give you a very good 114 00:04:41,379 --> 00:04:38,600 idea of how the project item looks 115 00:04:42,850 --> 00:04:41,389 inside it's just simply round empty 116 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:42,860 there is a plank in the middle instead 117 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:45,650 of a chair with a funny helmet there is 118 00:04:49,689 --> 00:04:47,570 a bed there and there are there are a 119 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:49,699 lot of optimizations actually that help 120 00:04:53,469 --> 00:04:51,050 people to have their own out-of-body 121 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:53,479 experiences one of the main things that 122 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:55,910 happens in this lab is that you know 123 00:05:00,850 --> 00:04:58,250 with the knowledge of informational 124 00:05:03,580 --> 00:05:00,860 fields or maybe trying to associate here 125 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:03,590 other ideas what a Sheldrick would call 126 00:05:08,499 --> 00:05:05,570 you know a morphogen Eric fields you 127 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:08,509 know we try to set up that field inside 128 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:11,570 of this lab so as to help people to 129 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:13,490 facilitate so that they can have their 130 00:05:17,529 --> 00:05:15,199 own out-of-body experiences and people 131 00:05:19,749 --> 00:05:17,539 describe usually about a 50 percent 132 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:19,759 increase is varies from person to person 133 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:22,460 you know in terms of positive results 134 00:05:27,969 --> 00:05:24,020 when they are doing experiments in this 135 00:05:29,379 --> 00:05:27,979 lab I as I was telling you have have 136 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:29,389 been having out-of-body experiences 137 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:31,610 since I was 12 almost 30 years of them 138 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:35,449 in the air of Perea experience is a 139 00:05:40,779 --> 00:05:37,250 phenomena that is almost like a sport 140 00:05:42,939 --> 00:05:40,789 you never bad a hundred or a thousand if 141 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:42,949 I'm gonna make this baseball analogy but 142 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:45,020 the more you train the more you develop 143 00:05:49,990 --> 00:05:47,570 the greater is your batting average yeah 144 00:05:51,939 --> 00:05:50,000 but all of the times that I have used 145 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:51,949 the project terraeum I have had a 146 00:05:56,170 --> 00:05:54,260 successful out-of-body experience so my 147 00:05:59,050 --> 00:05:56,180 batting average is much higher here than 148 00:06:00,760 --> 00:05:59,060 you know when I am at home but part of 149 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:00,770 the reason why I also present this is 150 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:02,570 because our intention with this lab is 151 00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:04,370 to try to understand as much as we can 152 00:06:09,010 --> 00:06:06,560 of the variables and of the factors that 153 00:06:11,110 --> 00:06:09,020 go into the RF body experience so that 154 00:06:13,060 --> 00:06:11,120 people don't have to build the project 155 00:06:14,529 --> 00:06:13,070 areum in their own homes but that they 156 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:14,539 can produce it you know a little bit 157 00:06:18,850 --> 00:06:16,580 more regularly in their bedrooms you 158 00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:18,860 know which is normally where we are at 159 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:22,520 night yeah but moving on here let me 160 00:06:27,159 --> 00:06:25,130 begin I guess first of all by trying to 161 00:06:28,810 --> 00:06:27,169 give you the idea of what probably is a 162 00:06:30,550 --> 00:06:28,820 little bit easier to understand you know 163 00:06:32,830 --> 00:06:30,560 the third-person perspective because 164 00:06:34,330 --> 00:06:32,840 certainly we do this the first one I 165 00:06:36,490 --> 00:06:34,340 guess I will not tell you about is about 166 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:36,500 this initiative that we call the 167 00:06:41,589 --> 00:06:39,320 projective field what it is is we have a 168 00:06:44,510 --> 00:06:41,599 ballroom you know more or less like this 169 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:44,520 where 5060 people lie down to 170 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:45,930 techniques for having out-of-body 171 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:48,330 experiences and they basically have to 172 00:06:53,089 --> 00:06:50,190 leave the body and there is another room 173 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:53,099 in another corner of the hotel that is 174 00:07:00,020 --> 00:06:55,680 completely empty and we put there a 175 00:07:01,700 --> 00:07:00,030 laptop that grabs an image at random and 176 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:01,710 just simply displays it there 177 00:07:05,779 --> 00:07:04,020 the room is completely empty usually 178 00:07:08,869 --> 00:07:05,789 there is an orator there somebody not 179 00:07:11,089 --> 00:07:08,879 associated with IAC but a college 180 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:11,099 professor or a journalist somebody that 181 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:12,750 has a little bit of credibility or 182 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:15,120 authority to a certain extent so there 183 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:17,490 is this auditor that is outside of the 184 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:19,110 room just making sure that nobody 185 00:07:23,330 --> 00:07:21,150 physically went into the room and then 186 00:07:25,460 --> 00:07:23,340 the idea is that people have to leave 187 00:07:28,249 --> 00:07:25,470 the body from the ballroom go into this 188 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:28,259 other room see the image the image is 189 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:30,150 picked at random and nobody knows what 190 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:31,590 the image is so it's a double-blind 191 00:07:36,770 --> 00:07:33,870 experiment and then people have to come 192 00:07:38,689 --> 00:07:36,780 back describe what they saw and then all 193 00:07:40,999 --> 00:07:38,699 of these papers go to the auditor who 194 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:41,009 signs that he you know received all the 195 00:07:44,629 --> 00:07:43,110 papers before opening the door and there 196 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:44,639 you go you open the door you check the 197 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:47,039 results yeah I am NOT the main 198 00:07:51,230 --> 00:07:48,810 researcher in charge of this I know that 199 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:51,240 we have had certainly already many hits 200 00:07:55,939 --> 00:07:54,090 and we have done this this research you 201 00:07:57,950 --> 00:07:55,949 know in in many countries really 202 00:08:00,140 --> 00:07:57,960 actually it happened here in Lausanne in 203 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:00,150 California in Los Angeles where I'm at 204 00:08:04,689 --> 00:08:02,550 maybe about two or three years ago but 205 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:04,699 we've done it already in Rio de Janeiro 206 00:08:12,290 --> 00:08:09,330 Madrid London Portugal etc in our own 207 00:08:13,969 --> 00:08:12,300 campus etc etc I myself the last time 208 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:13,979 that we did it usually I'm part of the 209 00:08:18,890 --> 00:08:16,680 staff and I don't have the opportunity 210 00:08:21,379 --> 00:08:18,900 to participate in the research but I had 211 00:08:24,019 --> 00:08:21,389 the opportunity that time I lie down and 212 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:24,029 I was able to see the image correctly in 213 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:27,330 the computer so that was one of the I 214 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:29,610 think two or three times in several 215 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:31,710 times that I have participated in this 216 00:08:38,589 --> 00:08:34,620 endeavor that I have I was able you know 217 00:08:40,909 --> 00:08:38,599 to actually lie down and participate now 218 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:40,919 what is interesting about this is that 219 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:43,919 you know the participants they have not 220 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:46,770 seen the images before so basically the 221 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:48,890 possibility or the probability of 222 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:51,480 hearing the right image which could be 223 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:53,490 anything you know from a picture of a 224 00:08:57,980 --> 00:08:56,370 pointer to a cartoon character to goofy 225 00:08:59,870 --> 00:08:57,990 to a landscape 226 00:09:01,820 --> 00:08:59,880 being Hawaiian cetera really the 227 00:09:04,130 --> 00:09:01,830 possibilities of just simply guessing it 228 00:09:06,199 --> 00:09:04,140 you know are you know very hard to 229 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:06,209 compute and basically limitless to a 230 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:08,580 certain extent so we certainly have 231 00:09:12,530 --> 00:09:10,410 already done this quite a bit and there 232 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:12,540 is a paper that is upcoming you know 233 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:13,890 there is going to present all of this 234 00:09:20,889 --> 00:09:17,490 research now the second here is the 235 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:20,899 bioenergy effects on functional MRIs 236 00:09:25,370 --> 00:09:24,120 which basically what there is this 237 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:25,380 technique let me see if I can advance 238 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:27,810 this here there is this technique that 239 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:30,450 helps a lot for developing I'm gonna go 240 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:32,730 back in a second for developing the 241 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:34,800 ability to have out of body experiences 242 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:37,320 but also for training this energetic 243 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:40,800 energetic or etheric body that we call 244 00:09:46,610 --> 00:09:44,250 it in OD villo to reach the vibration of 245 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:46,620 state probably some of you here I don't 246 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:49,950 know how many that maybe have dabbled in 247 00:09:53,180 --> 00:09:51,690 out of body experiences or maybe in the 248 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:53,190 middle of the night sometimes might have 249 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:54,600 been woken up by these strange 250 00:09:59,030 --> 00:09:56,370 vibrations in the middle of the night 251 00:10:01,100 --> 00:09:59,040 and the velar basically is a technique 252 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:01,110 that induces this vibration which 253 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:02,730 normally promotes the earth body 254 00:10:08,180 --> 00:10:05,910 experiences in individuals so what we 255 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:08,190 have tried to do is as much as we can to 256 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:09,870 try to see what are the attributes that 257 00:10:14,690 --> 00:10:12,510 can be measured in the vibrational state 258 00:10:17,569 --> 00:10:14,700 to try to code them to try to develop a 259 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:17,579 methodology for again developing this in 260 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:20,190 individuals and part of the results is 261 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:21,810 that we put this a little bit to the 262 00:10:27,199 --> 00:10:25,290 test on functional MRIs I don't have all 263 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:27,209 the data but some of the things that 264 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:30,120 were shown is that ask the person who 265 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:32,370 has already developed his own capacities 266 00:10:35,510 --> 00:10:34,290 in this case this colleague of ours 267 00:10:37,819 --> 00:10:35,520 binary leg ready 268 00:10:39,949 --> 00:10:37,829 so as the person has already developed 269 00:10:42,650 --> 00:10:39,959 its own capacity so the first person 270 00:10:45,050 --> 00:10:42,660 perspective the person can be put in the 271 00:10:47,030 --> 00:10:45,060 functional MRI and when they start to do 272 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:47,040 this energetic technique the functional 273 00:10:51,980 --> 00:10:50,220 MRI starts to perceive you know or 274 00:10:54,769 --> 00:10:51,990 starts to register things even outside 275 00:10:57,019 --> 00:10:54,779 of the physical body the doctor actually 276 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:57,029 the friend of ours that was there in the 277 00:11:02,410 --> 00:11:00,360 how crazy in the room when he started to 278 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:02,420 see that he he thought looked pieces 279 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:05,010 impossible now you don't need a doctor 280 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:07,320 you need a physicist to explain here how 281 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:09,839 the functional MRI can perceive 282 00:11:11,780 --> 00:11:11,160 something that is outside of the 283 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:11,790 physical 284 00:11:17,330 --> 00:11:15,720 so anyways maybe Wagner actually on the 285 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:17,340 next SSC conference you can already 286 00:11:21,650 --> 00:11:19,110 present this paper and show you with 287 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:21,660 more detail you know the the results but 288 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:23,760 anyways this is just for you to see that 289 00:11:28,820 --> 00:11:27,120 the third-person perspective now going 290 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:28,830 into the second and the first-person 291 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:30,570 perspective as I was saying one of the 292 00:11:37,340 --> 00:11:33,870 things that we try to do the the best we 293 00:11:38,990 --> 00:11:37,350 can is actually to develop techniques to 294 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:39,000 develop not just energetic techniques 295 00:11:42,050 --> 00:11:40,560 but also techniques for having 296 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:42,060 out-of-body experiences in teaching 297 00:11:47,690 --> 00:11:44,490 these two people and we have had a lot 298 00:11:49,580 --> 00:11:47,700 of success in my case I've I've probably 299 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:49,590 been lecturing and giving classes you 300 00:11:53,810 --> 00:11:51,300 know for about twenty years all over the 301 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:53,820 world I had the fortune of learning a 302 00:11:58,610 --> 00:11:56,160 few languages so Europe Australia South 303 00:12:02,120 --> 00:11:58,620 America poor choice etcetera etcetera 304 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:02,130 etcetera so we have already you know 305 00:12:06,260 --> 00:12:03,990 taught a lot of people have to have the 306 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:06,270 other party experience so this again is 307 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:09,510 something that can be developed now 308 00:12:17,210 --> 00:12:12,930 what was certain extent of this leads us 309 00:12:19,550 --> 00:12:17,220 to you see if I can cut a little bit 310 00:12:21,830 --> 00:12:19,560 first of all just trying to understand 311 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:21,840 here what what we see in terms of 312 00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:23,550 evidence and in terms of the paradigm 313 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:25,200 you know the current conventional 314 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:28,410 paradigm or the leading I guess for many 315 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:30,960 people I know that probably not for most 316 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:32,760 of the people here is that consciousness 317 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:35,370 is a product of matter and energy it's 318 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:37,290 to a certain extent a product of the 319 00:12:41,330 --> 00:12:39,810 chemistry and the biology what we see 320 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:41,340 especially when we have an out-of-body 321 00:12:46,670 --> 00:12:44,040 experience is that consciousness seems 322 00:12:48,770 --> 00:12:46,680 to be a completely separate entity that 323 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:48,780 can affect you know matter and energy 324 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:52,980 and I don't know how many of you so let 325 00:12:57,260 --> 00:12:54,390 me see if I can talk here a little bit 326 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:57,270 more about the OBEs and maybe even put 327 00:13:00,950 --> 00:12:58,770 this a little bit to the test you know 328 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:00,960 in terms of austrane 329 00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:03,930 to embrace a little bit the idea of you 330 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:06,840 see if I can go back the idea of diving 331 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:12,000 into the subjective and really Magnus a 332 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:14,250 really trying to embrace the 333 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:16,290 participative research and North being 334 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:19,260 part of the of the guinea-pigs I don't 335 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:21,180 know how many people here maybe have 336 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:23,040 already heard out of body experiences I 337 00:13:25,490 --> 00:13:25,050 know maybe for many people here probably 338 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:25,500 did 339 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:28,710 sounds how could I say out-of-this-world 340 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:31,380 you know what is happening here what 341 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:33,510 what is occurring you know what type of 342 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:36,480 a presentation is this what happens of 343 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:39,300 course is the following I know all the 344 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:41,460 conventional theories and later on if 345 00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:43,290 you wish you can ask me about 346 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:45,150 conventional theories I'm trying to 347 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:47,370 explain out of body experiences because 348 00:13:53,510 --> 00:13:51,240 of lack of oxygen ABCD the thing is that 349 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:53,520 is very different when you have it one 350 00:13:56,780 --> 00:13:54,810 thing is you know when you're just 351 00:13:58,580 --> 00:13:56,790 simply reading something theoretically 352 00:14:00,380 --> 00:13:58,590 another thing is when you are actually 353 00:14:01,730 --> 00:14:00,390 having the experience and you realize 354 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:01,740 this has nothing to do with lack of 355 00:14:07,370 --> 00:14:04,320 oxygen this has nothing to do with ABCD 356 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:07,380 and when you have a conscious fully 357 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:09,210 aware out-of-body experience you are 358 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:12,150 outside your body aware with all of your 359 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:14,070 reasoning with all of your memories with 360 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:16,350 all of your consciousness with all of 361 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:18,120 your logic you remember everything that 362 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:20,190 you studied in school without any 363 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:22,590 problem even this is a very different 364 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:25,140 condition from dreams something there 365 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:27,450 are many times even lucid dreams many 366 00:14:31,390 --> 00:14:29,370 times I put us a differences you know 367 00:14:33,860 --> 00:14:31,400 how many times in dreams have we 368 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:33,870 remembered for example or phone number 369 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:37,650 or our address and outside the body you 370 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:39,450 can do this you certainly remember 371 00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:41,610 everything you remember whether you skip 372 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:44,790 dinner or not so you are completely you 373 00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:47,730 but again the interesting thing and part 374 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:50,100 I guess of what I am trying to help us 375 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:52,710 all here to think is one thing is the 376 00:14:56,390 --> 00:14:54,870 theory varies out there another thing is 377 00:14:58,460 --> 00:14:56,400 the moment that we experience that 378 00:15:00,410 --> 00:14:58,470 because that completely changes our 379 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:00,420 paradigm so to a certain extent you know 380 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:04,110 trying to think about what would happen 381 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:06,540 if we experienced a near-death 382 00:15:11,630 --> 00:15:08,640 experience or an out-of-body experience 383 00:15:13,730 --> 00:15:11,640 how would that shift or change our 384 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:13,740 perspective because notice how it's 385 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:15,540 interesting to analyze something that is 386 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:18,660 external to us certainly is very 387 00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,490 interesting but besides that is 388 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:21,839 interesting to consider what would 389 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:24,150 happen if this happens to me so again I 390 00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:25,470 don't know what is the extent of the 391 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:28,020 error of body experiences here but sort 392 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:30,570 of like trying to help us to embrace 393 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:32,910 this idea of us being the guinea pigs 394 00:15:38,620 --> 00:15:36,110 and us being how could I say the 395 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:38,630 the researchers to a certain extent or 396 00:15:43,569 --> 00:15:40,250 you know doing the subjective research 397 00:15:45,610 --> 00:15:43,579 and as I described the following 398 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:45,620 scenario try to think what goes through 399 00:15:52,449 --> 00:15:49,130 your mind you know if you embrace this 400 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:52,459 if you how could I say try to debunk it 401 00:15:58,329 --> 00:15:54,950 if you try to run out the door you know 402 00:16:00,400 --> 00:15:58,339 if you try to deny it or to find some 403 00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:00,410 psychological filter to just simply get 404 00:16:05,139 --> 00:16:03,320 out of this simple intellectual exercise 405 00:16:08,740 --> 00:16:05,149 that I'm going to do with you 406 00:16:11,019 --> 00:16:08,750 so let's assume that we all have an RF 407 00:16:12,340 --> 00:16:11,029 body experience tonight and I don't know 408 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:12,350 again where is the extent of your 409 00:16:16,660 --> 00:16:14,630 out-of-body experiences but then you 410 00:16:19,210 --> 00:16:16,670 happen to be tonight in this position 411 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:19,220 just simply outside your body with all 412 00:16:22,259 --> 00:16:20,930 of your awareness and the same level of 413 00:16:24,730 --> 00:16:22,269 knowledge that you have right now 414 00:16:31,210 --> 00:16:24,740 looking at your physical body lying in 415 00:16:33,790 --> 00:16:31,220 bed sleeping what is the reaction this 416 00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,800 is interesting to consider again analyze 417 00:16:39,819 --> 00:16:36,320 yourself because you know I know that we 418 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:39,829 have here a lot of very how Christ's a 419 00:16:44,199 --> 00:16:42,290 leading thinkers of the world and I've 420 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:44,209 heard this many times which I agree with 421 00:16:50,590 --> 00:16:47,480 you know from here many times we can 422 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:50,600 help to shape the trajectory of science 423 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:52,370 and you know how research is going to be 424 00:16:57,069 --> 00:16:55,279 done in the future etc etc etc and I 425 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:57,079 think that this is very valid of course 426 00:17:01,060 --> 00:16:58,850 I I have enjoyed you know all the 427 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:01,070 presentations that have occurred here 428 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:02,750 and have been taking notes of many of 429 00:17:07,539 --> 00:17:05,510 them of course but then we can also 430 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:07,549 start to consider this condition because 431 00:17:13,870 --> 00:17:10,400 depending of team how could I say the 432 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:13,880 filter that we put in these ideas this 433 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:17,030 is going to limit or expand the 434 00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:20,750 embracing of participative research does 435 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:24,079 this make sense yes so this is an 436 00:17:30,010 --> 00:17:27,230 interesting just mental exercise I guess 437 00:17:32,380 --> 00:17:30,020 to go through it much more interesting 438 00:17:34,780 --> 00:17:32,390 is to have this condition in the 439 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:34,790 practice not just in the theory one 440 00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:37,190 thing again is the theory another thing 441 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:39,980 is the practice I can tell you in my 442 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:41,720 case I started having them since I was 443 00:17:44,919 --> 00:17:42,410 12 444 00:17:48,669 --> 00:17:44,929 I didn't know what they were I didn't I 445 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:48,679 certainly my my education didn't prepare 446 00:17:52,779 --> 00:17:50,450 me for this at all 447 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:52,789 they simply knew that I was floating in 448 00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:55,010 my bedroom in my house you know very 449 00:17:59,860 --> 00:17:58,190 very aware and with time is that I 450 00:18:02,080 --> 00:17:59,870 realized that not everybody was having 451 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:02,090 this and it was much later on that I 452 00:18:06,299 --> 00:18:04,010 started finding books and reading about 453 00:18:09,129 --> 00:18:06,309 the subject so he had nothing to do with 454 00:18:12,159 --> 00:18:09,139 how could I say having had an influence 455 00:18:14,379 --> 00:18:12,169 you know an external influence from this 456 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:14,389 and like this I know you know hundreds 457 00:18:21,159 --> 00:18:17,840 of people in this situation so you know 458 00:18:24,639 --> 00:18:21,169 again the condition of these different 459 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:24,649 types of models for approaching you know 460 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:27,049 and starting here the consciousness now 461 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:28,700 let me see if there was something else I 462 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,620 wanted to mention here of course the 463 00:18:33,879 --> 00:18:32,240 projection of the consciousness or the 464 00:18:35,409 --> 00:18:33,889 air of body experience has been known by 465 00:18:37,509 --> 00:18:35,419 many names and just to help you to 466 00:18:39,399 --> 00:18:37,519 associate some ideas here the most 467 00:18:40,690 --> 00:18:39,409 common one is the spontaneous one when 468 00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,700 the person in the middle of the night 469 00:18:44,649 --> 00:18:42,559 just regains its awareness and it's 470 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:44,659 loading there close to the ceiling or 471 00:18:49,269 --> 00:18:47,210 close to where the person sleeps like 472 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:49,279 you know the other picture that you saw 473 00:18:53,710 --> 00:18:51,500 there there is also the four star of 474 00:18:56,259 --> 00:18:53,720 body experience which is where the 475 00:18:58,419 --> 00:18:56,269 near-death experience many fits so the 476 00:19:00,820 --> 00:18:58,429 person clinically dies for a few minutes 477 00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:00,830 and then in many cases of near-death 478 00:19:05,710 --> 00:19:03,019 experiences the person finds itself you 479 00:19:08,169 --> 00:19:05,720 know outside the body going through a 480 00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:08,179 tunnel meeting diseased relatives etc 481 00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:11,600 etc etc something by the way that we 482 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:14,000 observe as well afterwards you know I 483 00:19:17,649 --> 00:19:15,860 knew that I wasn't going to have more 484 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:17,659 more time but afterwards feel free to 485 00:19:24,669 --> 00:19:20,210 ask me about my experiences because I 486 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,679 have had many of them indeed in in as 487 00:19:28,570 --> 00:19:26,240 well you know the one that we're trying 488 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:28,580 to hopefully start to make a little bit 489 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,289 more common is the one where people are 490 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:32,960 able to provoke that will certainly this 491 00:19:37,269 --> 00:19:35,840 one as well now notice that in talking 492 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:37,279 about the error of body experience is 493 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:39,110 something that Chantal was mentioning 494 00:19:44,259 --> 00:19:42,070 here at the beginning I am a chemist so 495 00:19:46,899 --> 00:19:44,269 my background is certainly in 496 00:19:49,659 --> 00:19:46,909 conventional science even though by the 497 00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:49,669 way I know if mr. Skye Nelson is still 498 00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:52,760 around but you know it took me a quite 499 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:55,039 an effort to try to follow your lecture 500 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:56,510 you know because these were things that 501 00:20:00,669 --> 00:19:58,970 I had hadn't revisited in a while but I 502 00:20:02,169 --> 00:20:00,679 did understand it okay it almost seemed 503 00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,179 like having a recollection of a past 504 00:20:05,770 --> 00:20:04,400 life simply because I had 505 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:05,780 studied those things you know a while 506 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:07,880 ago in college but still I follow them 507 00:20:13,210 --> 00:20:10,010 but what I'm trying to say here is that 508 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:13,220 just because we have these experiences 509 00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:15,110 and we're able to produce them it 510 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:16,760 doesn't necessarily mean that we need to 511 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:20,480 lose again our logic or a reasoning so 512 00:20:24,460 --> 00:20:22,100 we don't need necessarily need to be 513 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:24,470 afraid of B you know these types of 514 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:26,990 experiences part of what is interesting 515 00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:29,330 is that sometimes you know I've seen 516 00:20:34,030 --> 00:20:31,190 certain people that have this type of 517 00:20:35,890 --> 00:20:34,040 arm of a thought or of a B or of a 518 00:20:38,050 --> 00:20:35,900 behavior to a certain extent probably is 519 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:38,060 not the case of any one of you here but 520 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:39,710 it's almost like let's embrace 521 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:42,170 participative research so let me study 522 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:46,820 your participative research not mine but 523 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:48,800 to a certain extent to embrace objective 524 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:51,020 participative research we also have to 525 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:52,580 be able to see ourselves as the guinea 526 00:21:00,130 --> 00:20:55,760 pigs you understand what I mean so this 527 00:21:01,930 --> 00:21:00,140 is you know part of it now there are 528 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:01,940 many benefits to the earth body 529 00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:03,740 experience I wish I had here you know an 530 00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:06,140 entire hour to describe them many of 531 00:21:11,530 --> 00:21:09,500 them of course are benefits that you 532 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:11,540 also see with people who have near-death 533 00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,840 experiences you know losing the fear of 534 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:16,640 death understanding better what they 535 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:19,760 should do with their life you know 536 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:22,880 assistance to others certainly sometimes 537 00:21:27,610 --> 00:21:25,400 recollections of past lives while we are 538 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:27,620 in an out-of-body experience so not just 539 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:29,450 in the physical condition but also while 540 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:30,910 we are in an out of body experience 541 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,500 access to other dimensions I wish I had 542 00:21:38,140 --> 00:21:35,600 a lot more time to talk about this it's 543 00:21:39,790 --> 00:21:38,150 interesting how in physics yes 544 00:21:43,030 --> 00:21:39,800 the idea or the theory of other 545 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:43,040 dimensions is accepted but when you go 546 00:21:49,540 --> 00:21:45,770 and you perceive it straight on somehow 547 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:49,550 it's not accepted you see a little bit 548 00:21:54,820 --> 00:21:52,100 there'd be that condition now there is 549 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:54,830 there just one more thing I knew I was 550 00:21:58,060 --> 00:21:56,810 going to be pressed with time there is 551 00:21:59,800 --> 00:21:58,070 one thing about the air of party 552 00:22:01,660 --> 00:21:59,810 experiences we can leave the body and 553 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:01,670 when we are in the physical body and 554 00:22:04,690 --> 00:22:03,110 sorry when we are in the physical 555 00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:04,700 reality there are different types of 556 00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:06,140 experiments that can be set up to 557 00:22:10,810 --> 00:22:08,600 provide evidence hard evidence that you 558 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:10,820 are having an out-of-body experience but 559 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:12,590 one idea that I wanted to leave you with 560 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:14,990 is when you have out of body experiences 561 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:16,730 you rarely want to stay in the physical 562 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:17,510 reality 563 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:19,610 you want to go to several other 564 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:21,890 different planes of existence as in for 565 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:24,590 those simply there is no physical proof 566 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:27,110 that you can provide of non-physical 567 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:30,350 realities so the methodology certainly 568 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:33,050 has to be different yeah so and those 569 00:22:44,590 --> 00:22:35,090 are certainly the most interesting by 570 00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:44,600 far yeah so thank you I just want to 571 00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:47,720 make a comment that I remember in 1994 572 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:51,740 when I met Bob John and Brenda done the 573 00:22:58,780 --> 00:22:56,570 battle cry for the subjective science to 574 00:23:00,190 --> 00:22:58,790 really experience and I think one of the 575 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:00,200 things that we've seen this entire 576 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:03,620 afternoon is how important it is to 577 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:07,730 engage in the experiment oneself and 578 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:11,840 have that personal experience so thank 579 00:23:30,050 --> 00:23:25,670 it's it's not unusual for ordinary 580 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:30,060 well-educated people to avoid important 581 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:34,610 and very likely very adventures I've 582 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:39,510 done autopsies now for 26 years and I 583 00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:43,530 taught the residents in the LA area that 584 00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,620 we're working on their pathology the 585 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:48,840 medical students do autopsies on 586 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:52,890 formalin bodies and to get them to come 587 00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:54,660 see a fresh body where they can actually 588 00:24:01,280 --> 00:23:57,830 touch the organs and see what they're 589 00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:01,290 and have a tangible experience is like 590 00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:01,980 pulling teeth 591 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:07,230 not come yet they talk as if they know 592 00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:10,560 Anatomy they can't know Anatomy out of 593 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:13,470 books they have no tangible experience 594 00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:31,260 hi this my I know times limited but 595 00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:33,190 would you be willing to describe one of 596 00:24:37,289 --> 00:24:34,630 your more memorable out-of-body 597 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,299 experiences yes sure of course and you 598 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:40,720 know one that many times I like to tell 599 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:42,190 just because it's easier for people to 600 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:44,230 relate them to understand but also there 601 00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:46,750 is verification of it once one that 602 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:48,280 happened with me about fifteen years ago 603 00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:50,770 I was living in Miami Florida at that 604 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:53,169 time and my older sister lived in 605 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:55,270 Atlanta Georgia and she was starting to 606 00:25:00,240 --> 00:24:57,130 participate in the classes that we give 607 00:25:02,970 --> 00:25:00,250 off development of this skill and I 608 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:02,980 wanted sort of like to try to see if I 609 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:04,690 could show her how this worked and 610 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:06,070 because we have a very personal 611 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:07,929 connection this doesn't work just with 612 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:11,049 with anybody any other participant or 613 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:13,210 any other student I was able that 614 00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:14,890 specific night that she had taken the 615 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:18,190 first weekend of training I was able to 616 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,770 leave my body go to her place in Atlanta 617 00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:23,440 and I was able to take her outside her 618 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:25,780 body and then she was already like a 619 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:28,330 predisposed because of that we have what 620 00:25:31,649 --> 00:25:30,190 is called a joint projection which by 621 00:25:33,419 --> 00:25:31,659 the way is interesting because you see 622 00:25:35,850 --> 00:25:33,429 how the experience is no longer just 623 00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:35,860 subjective because both people can come 624 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:38,470 back remember it and then they can talk 625 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:40,510 about it and if we are you know the 626 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:42,370 skeptical research we can go and you 627 00:25:47,399 --> 00:25:44,770 know take the account of one and then go 628 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:47,409 and confirm with the other one so we it 629 00:25:53,070 --> 00:25:50,710 starts to lose its fully subjective 630 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:53,080 character but anyways we flew over 631 00:25:59,640 --> 00:25:55,990 Atlanta over Georgia for several minutes 632 00:26:01,169 --> 00:25:59,650 actually and I was trying to to ask her 633 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:01,179 because it was more than anything her 634 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:02,950 experience you know what is it that you 635 00:26:06,570 --> 00:26:04,510 want to do where is it that you want to 636 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,580 go and something interesting also that 637 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:08,320 caught my attention is how we have our 638 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:10,330 mindset completely connected in the 639 00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:13,990 physical reality because she had had 640 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:16,120 somebody who had arrived at her place 641 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:19,270 and had replaced the carpet a few TSP 642 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:21,610 days before and probably was one of 643 00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,049 these individuals that doesn't have 644 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:25,600 papers and had done a bad job and she 645 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,280 hadn't been able to communicate with him 646 00:26:31,529 --> 00:26:28,960 so the first thing that popped into her 647 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:31,539 mind is I need to go find you know the 648 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,890 carpet layer 649 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:35,200 and in my mind I even said look are you 650 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:36,970 sure because there are a lot of other 651 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:38,770 things that we can do here by the way 652 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:41,410 but she was not yes because and now she 653 00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:43,210 was already in the in the track of 654 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:46,150 thinking of the complaint to a certain 655 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:48,160 extent yes because he you know still 656 00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,630 owes me this money in he has to do this 657 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:51,760 and I was like okay let's just go let's 658 00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:54,520 just you know go and try to but as she 659 00:26:59,130 --> 00:26:56,710 kept on going with the track of 660 00:27:00,930 --> 00:26:59,140 complaining I realized and this is 661 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:00,940 something that we see quite a bit in the 662 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:02,440 air of body experiences that when the 663 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:04,840 person becomes too emotional the person 664 00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:06,550 starts to lose its awareness and 665 00:27:11,550 --> 00:27:08,800 normally the experience ends and they go 666 00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,560 back to the body so what ended up 667 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:13,360 happening is that she lost her awareness 668 00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:15,640 and she ended up going back to the body 669 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:17,140 and then you know when she went back to 670 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:19,330 her body I just went on on the rest of 671 00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:21,400 my OBE I went back but the following 672 00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:23,470 morning I call her and she had a 673 00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:25,480 complete recollection of the experience 674 00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:27,460 you know you did this you did that you 675 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:29,680 asked me she was even thinking you know 676 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:31,690 how could I decide you know to go see 677 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:33,310 the carpet layer instead of you know 678 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:35,550 going and doing and seeing other things 679 00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:39,730 so this is you know just one of the 680 00:27:45,270 --> 00:27:42,040 experiences certainly that possibilities 681 00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:45,280 that we can have yeah Thank You Lewis 682 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:47,920 for sharing all this I'm dying to know 683 00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:53,680 have you been brain mapped fMRI made me 684 00:28:00,420 --> 00:27:58,480 no no no I I haven't no I certainly will 685 00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:00,430 be more than willing there there is no 686 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:02,230 you know problem but I can tell you 687 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:04,870 several of my colleagues have it's just 688 00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:07,210 because my area and my research 689 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:08,560 sometimes is and other things but I 690 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:11,590 wouldn't be averse to that scientific 691 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:14,410 match made in heaven right here in the 692 00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:16,090 last hour we have time for one more 693 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:16,660 question 694 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:19,990 yeah one in India in the dreamwork 695 00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:23,080 community may be many times have shared 696 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:27,280 mutual lucid dreams and that sounds very 697 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:29,410 much to what you're talking about 698 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:31,870 when using the out-of-body terminology 699 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:34,360 and it can be very difficult that you 700 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:36,760 call it an OBE when you come into it 701 00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:38,200 from a lucid dream point of view but 702 00:28:42,090 --> 00:28:39,580 doesn't really matter what we call it 703 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:42,100 yes but but I actually when I was 704 00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:43,900 listening to your presentation some of 705 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:45,580 the experiences that you mentioned I 706 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:46,600 started thinking me 707 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:48,010 some of those are a little bit more 708 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:50,530 out-of-body experiences something that 709 00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:52,450 we that we see is that when you are 710 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:54,190 outside the body and outside to a 711 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:55,510 certain extent let me see if I can 712 00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,850 explain explain it in this fashion when 713 00:29:01,860 --> 00:28:59,919 we are outside of the restriction of the 714 00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:01,870 physical body we are more psychic 715 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:04,120 so the precognition works a lot better 716 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:06,190 also when we're dreaming because of that 717 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:07,270 and when we are a little bit 718 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:11,500 disconnected so I'm I would be inclined 719 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:13,510 to say that probably in several of your 720 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:14,950 experiences you were probably 721 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:16,630 disconnected from the body and that's 722 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,409 why they work so well you know as as far 723 00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:22,960 as what you were presenting so it gave 724 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:25,240 me certainly the same impression yeah 725 00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:28,010 let's give Luis a really big 726 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:30,630 [Applause] 727 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:33,090 [Music]